that point, so that was a key election. let's take a look at the state of virginia. you can see 13 out of 207 electoral votes as we always mention, every vote counts. bob donnell was once thought of -- mcdom was once thought of as a candidate. the unemployment rate well below the national rate which we know today is 7.8%. a. -- at 5.9%. the president since april has been there ten times, romney nine, but be you take a look at the total visits by the president since he was elected president, he's been to the seat of virginia 44 times. he's close, right? so probably easier to get to virginia than some of these other swing states. when we look at the polls, you can see how close. they are virtually tied in virginia, and that's why we wanted to talk to julian walker, a writer for the virginian pilot. he joining us from the state capital of richmond. julian, do you think anything that happened in this debate changed the poll in any way if because the numbers we just showed were taken before the debate, and we have some real numb